Iraq War

[nighthawk101]

I didn't know Russia, Britain, and the Middle East where Germanic lands?

Alsace and Lorraine, the Rheinland, Austria, and the sudetenland. Was what I was referring too. 3 of those areas were occupied by France. When the Rheinland was annexed in 1936, there was no reaction. Alscace and Lorraine would not be handed over.

When Poland was invaded to regain the Polish corridor as well as lebensraum, England and France declared war..... interestingly they did NOT declare war on Russia who at the same time invaded the other half of Poland.

Barbarossa was 3 fold, destruction of Bolshevism, oil, and lebensraum.

Africa came into play after the Italians failed. Germany came to re-inforce as well as hope to capture more oil fields.

And let us not forget that Hitler made Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, Haj Amin Al-Husseini a Luftwaffe officer.

A muslim? Allying against a common enemy?

The Ba'ath party was also inspired and supported, verbally not monetarily, by Hitler.

See above

Keep in mind, I have no idea if either of these claims are true as I have not heard of them before.

So our modern problems with the middle-east can at least somewhat be traced back to the Nazis.

That is a weak argument. How do you pull that out of what has been stated?

[nighthawk101]

PS - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baath_party

According to that, the Baath party was not founded until April of 1947, Hitler had been dead for two years.

[FThompson08]

Well all of what I said is true and the early beginnings of the Ba'ath started in 1943 by a man named Zaki al-Arsuzi. While it is not the official Ba'ath party as we know it, it was a group of Arab Socialists who wanted to have a Nazi style government in Syria and Iraq.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad_Amin_al-Husayni

On this page you will find pics of the Grand Mufti meeting with Hitler and SS troops[/img]

[FThompson08]

Also, why is okay for the Nazis to do all the things you rail angainst George Bush for. Invading countries who aren't an imminent threat, messing with other people's way of life, and fighting for oil.

[nighthawk101]

Also, why is okay for the Nazis to do all the things you rail angainst George Bush for. Invading countries who aren't an imminent threat, messing with other people's way of life, and fighting for oil.

Why do you change the subject constantly?

Germany conquered originally conquered areas that were inhabited by germanic peoples. Then the quest for lebensraum and resources began. But, keep in mind, that all this was done for the said country's benefit. Everything that was done was done with the benefit of the said country placed FIRST, second AND third. It was not done for ANY other reason.

That is COMPLETELY different than the BS we do.

Again though, why do you always change the topic? Atleast answer some of the things I called you out on.

[nighthawk101]

The party you are referring to that he *might* have verbally supported fell apart in '43 and had relatively no supporters. To say he supported the Baathist party is a bit of a stretch.

[mr.turtle]

To say he supported the Baathist party is a bit of a stretch.

thats very true...but its not too of a stretch to say that the ba'ath party was slightly based off nazi belief...i mean just look at the leaders its produced...all r mostly just thugs who only got there power by force so yeah

[GOO]

I agree with Mr. Turtle. The Baathist party may have come along well after teh death of Hitler, but it seems as though their beliefs are based off that of the Nazi regime. I mean throughout history it's easy to see that later groups and parties use beliefs, laws etc., of those that have come before them. I mean religion, for example, shows this. Different religions pick and chose different components to build themselves, so it is very likely that the Baathist party has "borrowed" the Nazi belief system.

[nighthawk101]

To say he supported the Baathist party is a bit of a stretch.

thats very true...but its not too of a stretch to say that the ba'ath party was slightly based off nazi belief...i mean just look at the leaders its produced...all r mostly just thugs who only got there power by force so yeah

Having a political party possibly based off the beliefs of another does not mean that the first party supported the other.

Either way, it doesnt look like its any different than any other authoritarian pan-nationalist movement.

[FThompson08]

Also, why is okay for the Nazis to do all the things you rail angainst George Bush for. Invading countries who aren't an imminent threat, messing with other people's way of life, and fighting for oil.

Why do you change the subject constantly?

Germany conquered originally conquered areas that were inhabited by germanic peoples. Then the quest for lebensraum and resources began. But, keep in mind, that all this was done for the said country's benefit. Everything that was done was done with the benefit of the said country placed FIRST, second AND third. It was not done for ANY other reason.

That is COMPLETELY different than the BS we do.


Again though, why do you always change the topic? Atleast answer some of the things I called you out on.

I'm just trying to ask questions on why you think one think is right and not another. And I didn't know retaking the Rhineland, and Poland, and Chezhoslovakia, and Austria was for the good of the German people. Also, we've been through the fact that after 9-11 and you have 5 of the best intelligence agencies in the world telling you someone who openly supports terrorists has WMDs, you listen. And let us not forget that 80% of America wanted the war.

[mr.turtle]

just a thought but havent we been off the whole WMD thing for awhile?

[nighthawk101]

And I didn't know retaking the Rhineland, and Poland, and Chezhoslovakia, and Austria was for the good of the German people.

You need to read some history books because apparently you are not aquainted at all with the situation. The nationalist feeling in the country at the time wanted to recapture lands lost after Versailles and to re-unite the German people. The Rheinland, Alscace and Lorraine were all lost after Versailles... The Anschluss and annexation of the Sudetenland was a movement to reunite the people, and something that was wanted by a majority of the people.

Poland was lebensraum.... and, as I stated before, I have always found it interesting that war was never declared on Russia after they invaded Poland at the same time and took the eastern half the country.

Also, we've been through the fact that after 9-11 and you have 5 of the best intelligence agencies in the world telling you someone who openly supports terrorists has WMDs, you listen. And let us not forget that 80% of America wanted the war.

The country might have wanted the war (i was one of them)... but there were no WMDs. The war was started on false pretenses.

I dont see how that many intelligence agencies can be SO wrong... Im curious though. List the 5 intelligence agencies so I can see what you are seeing.

[FThompson08]

I dont see how that many intelligence agencies can be SO wrong... Im curious though. List the 5 intelligence agencies so I can see what you are seeing.

CIA, NSA, Mi5, KGB(or whatever they call Russian intelligence now), and French intelligence service.

[FThompson08]

I have always found it interesting that war was never declared on Russia after they invaded Poland at the same time and took the eastern half the country.

Well we didn't declare war on Germany because of the invasion of Poland, as a matter of fact they declared war on us after Pearl Harbor.

[mr.turtle]

Well we didn't declare war on Germany because of the invasion of Poland, as a matter of fact they declared war on us after Pearl Harbor.

Ive found that the best way to show this...sorta....is w/ this robot chicken skit
http://youtube.com/watch?v=qlKu6lcLH1w