Iraq War

FThompson08 · Post by **FThompson08** » Mon Jul 23, 2007 3:49 pm

Do you think they hate us and attack us because they just dont like us? THey hate the fact that we meddle in their affairs and thay we completely and whole heartedly support their hated enemy. They problems in the middle east are due to 50-60 + years of horrible foreign policy.

This is completely untrue, they hate us because the true believers in radical Islam think that we are immoral and don't live under Sha'ria law. In all of the ramblings of these retards, Israel is only a small part of why they hate us. The Islamists believe in a Global Caliphate, or a super-nation encompassing the entire Earth. And where do think they want it's capitol....Baghdad. Usama bin Laden has said this on more than one occassion. In conclusion, I think that you can't pin this on just things like: religion; poverty; or Isarel. It is a combination of greed, power, and taking advantage of the ignorance of the people that fall into terrorism.

FThompson08 · Post by **FThompson08** » Mon Jul 23, 2007 3:52 pm

Do you think they hate us and attack us because they just dont like us? THey hate the fact that we meddle in their affairs and thay we completely and whole heartedly support their hated enemy. They problems in the middle east are due to 50-60 + years of horrible foreign policy.

This is completely untrue, they hate us because the true believers in radical Islam think that we are immoral and don't live under Sha'ria law. In all of the ramblings of these retards, Israel is only a small part of why they hate us. The Islamists believe in a Global Caliphate, or a super-nation encompassing the entire Earth. And where do think they want it's capitol....Baghdad. Usama bin Laden has said this on more than one occassion. In conclusion, I think that you can't pin this on just things like: religion; poverty; or Isarel. It is a combination of greed, power, and taking advantage of the ignorance of the people that fall into terrorism.

nighthawk101 · Post by **nighthawk101** » Tue Jul 24, 2007 9:21 am

Our problems with the middle east are entirely related to horrible foreign policy over the last 50 years and our undying support of Israel.

There is a supreme double standard when it comes to our treatment of Islamic countries and our treatment of Israel and it has come back to bite us in the ass.

LORD MANN · Post by **LORD MANN** » Tue Jul 24, 2007 12:35 pm

so we should not helped the Jews after ww2. wtf hawk they just got genocide and they needed help

FThompson08 · Post by **FThompson08** » Tue Jul 24, 2007 2:43 pm

I wonder why we treat homicidial Islamists dictators differently than a shining democracy in a sea of hatred...uhm?

mr.turtle · Post by **mr.turtle** » Tue Jul 24, 2007 5:38 pm

ooo pow suprise lord mann had a thought that was not entirely stupid....bravo lord mann

FThompson08 · Post by **FThompson08** » Tue Jul 24, 2007 5:42 pm

I was shocked a little myself

Lexon Avery · Post by **Lexon Avery** » Wed Jul 25, 2007 11:28 am

genocide = help...? shampoo that let them fight it out. However when it comes to national security, or rather the maintaining of the status quo I see no other choice then to aid. Examples WW2 Hitler, I have little doubt in my mind that Hitler would have stopped with Europe making him a threat. Bosnia 90's There was no threat to the US (kinda like every black country that has a genocide) we dont get any major imports from these countries, and if we do its not like we could get them from anywhere else. Iraq is a little different we get oil from the middle east and there is a major threat to the US in the middle east. Thus going in and setting up a pawn like government like in panama is a plus. Israel has lasted a long time being the center of the middle eastern aggregation but now we need one to last another 50 years.

horrible foreign policy over the last 50 years

I know you directed that at middle eastern foreign policy but just as a joke, if the Carter years didnt count then out foreign policy would be 170 % better.

nighthawk101 · Post by **nighthawk101** » Wed Jul 25, 2007 2:16 pm

Lexon Avery wrote: Iraq is a little different we get oil from the middle east and there is a major threat to the US in the middle east. Thus going in and setting up a pawn like government like in panama is a plus.

Oil should be .50 a gallon here ... or atleast substantially cheaper. We move it out of Iraq by the shampoo ton load and into Kutwaiti refineries... we get no benefit out of that though. Its rediculous.

nighthawk101 · Post by **nighthawk101** » Wed Jul 25, 2007 2:18 pm

LORD MANN wrote:so we should not helped the Jews after ww2. wtf hawk they just got genocide and they needed help

Its not our job to kick people out of their country and make a Jewish state on their land.

nighthawk101 · Post by **nighthawk101** » Wed Jul 25, 2007 2:19 pm

FThompson08 wrote:I wonder why we treat homicidial Islamists dictators differently than a shining democracy in a sea of hatred...uhm?

Huh? WTF are you talking about? Nobody says they are a shining democracy or not myself atleast. However, no matter how homocidal to their own people they are, its not a problem that plagues the American people.

nighthawk101 · Post by **nighthawk101** » Wed Jul 25, 2007 2:21 pm

Lexon Avery wrote:I have little doubt in my mind that Hitler would have stopped with Europe making him a threat.

The only thing we can go by is what was written in Mein Kampf. What was wanted was Germanic lands back and lebensraum in the east.

FThompson08 · Post by **FThompson08** » Wed Jul 25, 2007 2:48 pm

nighthawk101 wrote:
FThompson08 wrote:I wonder why we treat homicidial Islamists dictators differently than a shining democracy in a sea of hatred...uhm?
Huh? WTF are you talking about? Nobody says they are a shining democracy or not myself atleast. However, no matter how homocidal to their own people they are, its not a problem that plagues the American people.

Why are they not a shining democracy? They have free elections and have rights just like we do. Just because you have some unfounded hatred of Jews doesn't mean that they don't have one of the top tier countries in the world. Especially since they are surrounded by Islamo-fascists. And the President of Iran is not a threat to America? what about the Taliban? and don't forget about pre-civil war Lebanon, they blew up our army base there in the '80s.

nighthawk101 · Post by **nighthawk101** » Wed Jul 25, 2007 2:58 pm

FThompson08 wrote: Why are they not a shining democracy? They have free elections and have rights just like we do.

I misread your post... I thought you were saying I said that islamic countries were seas of democracy

But, on that same note, Iran has elections... Im sure you dont consider them a sea of democracy.

FThompson08 wrote:Just because you have some unfounded hatred of Jews doesn't mean that they don't have one of the top tier countries in the world.

They have a country that is founded on racism... as much as racism is looked down upon, no one seems to care about that.

FThompson08 wrote:Especially since they are surrounded by Islamo-fascists.

What is an Islamo-fascist?

FThompson08 wrote:And the President of Iran is not a threat to America?

How is he a threat to America?

FThompson08 · Post by **FThompson08** » Wed Jul 25, 2007 3:05 pm

nighthawk101 wrote:
Lexon Avery wrote:I have little doubt in my mind that Hitler would have stopped with Europe making him a threat.
The only thing we can go by is what was written in Mein Kampf. What was wanted was Germanic lands back and lebensraum in the east.

I didn't know Russia, Britain, and the Middle East where Germanic lands? And why did he have plans for a large plane called the "Amerika Bomber" before America even joined the war. And let us not forget that Hitler made Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, Haj Amin Al-Husseini a Luftwaffe officer. This man was one of the first people to preach about what we call terrorism. The Ba'ath party was also inspired and supported, verbally not monetarily, by Hitler. So our modern problems with the middle-east can at least somewhat be traced back to the Nazis.

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