Iraq War

[nighthawk101]

and the deficit was at that number, adjusted for inflation, long before Bush was in office.

You didnt even respond to what I said about this false post.

And still have not

[nighthawk101]

OK you criticize me for attacking you but you call me a retard and neo-con, typical liberal hypocricy.

I just looked back through my posts... and unless I missed it... Where have I said you were retarded?

The only thing I can find is where I stated that a point you made was retarded, that was the only response it could get. It was that ridiculous.

Not once have I said "Hey mayne, what up wit it, youz be retarded."

[Lexon Avery]

Not to be pointing out what no one but Fox tells you but DJ, the S&P, and Nasdaq are though the roof meaning if your not a complete moron(and you are if your not doing this) that has money slowly gaining interest in the BANK, you would have bought stock with it and more then doubled your money in the past 7 years. It really dosen't matter where the jobs are, its who profits from their success Owners, and Stock Holders.

But if you dont want to take an obvious approach at our economy, let me put it in a way that is more understandable. If you have just IDK 615 (what nighthawk wants for Nathans PC), on Feb. 25, 2000, and you went and bought just 16 shares of Union Pacific (an American company that has no option but to be in America and be run by Americans) which would cost only $598.40 ($37.4 a share) your current worth is $1946.56, pretty much a 225% increase! This doesnt take into account the 7 years of 4 quarter dividend's that started at $0.20 and are now at $0.35 which is nearly an additional $123.20.

Of course if you still have the 615 you could only buy 5 shares because it cost so dam much because its done so well ($121), you should get a 14% gain in the next 5 months, Not much but its still better then the bank. Keep those 14% gains up very 6 months you'll be a millionaire in 21 years. At my going rate I only have 9 years left lol

So unless the inflation rate is greater then 225% over 7 years we really don't have anything to worry about when it comes to economic success of this countries citizens. Now when it comes to Government Debt well, doesnt that kind of mean that the government is at least doing something? lol? Yeah 8 trillion is a lot and it worries me, but saying the economy is going to collapse is far fetched at this point, now to say we arent going to have a massive change in the way government handles its money, and gets money in the next election would be a given D or R.

[nighthawk101]

What I mean by that is that with our current debt and the amount of interest we pay on it, it is definitely not a good trend. If it is not reversed, the economy very well could collapse on itself, mainly because withdrawal of foreign investments. If our situation continues to deteriorate, foreign investors will no longer see the US as a viable money making option and will withdraw their money.

[Lexon Avery]

What I mean by that is that with our current debt and the amount of interest we pay on it, it is definitely not a good trend. If it is not reversed, the economy very well could collapse on itself, mainly because withdrawal of foreign investments. If our situation continues to deteriorate, foreign investors will no longer see the US as a viable money making option and will withdraw their money.

Yeah but the main problem behind this isn't the war or really the economy its the Federal Reserve Bank. Which dates back to 1914! And the fact we are no longer on a gold standard, we completely fail to see the dollar isn't real money, and the current situation raises. The Federal Reserve Bank is what needs to be addressed if your concern is foreign investors not buying us out.

Edit:(1914 it opened, 1913 its creation was signed into law)

[FThompson08]

OK Nighthawk I will concede that the deficit is a problem, however, Bush or this war didn't create it. And to say that this President is a neo-con is ridicolous. Look at his policy on spending and immigration, those are far from neo-con ways of thinking. And I just want to put it to rest that I am a neo-con. In our arguement about outsourcing, you are the one presenting the neo-con point of view. Unlike you I believe in a free market, until we take away our extremely high business tax we won't have as many businesses. And by the way anything below 5% unemployment is considered virtually zero because at any given time there is about that many people looking for jobs or people that don't want a job.

[nighthawk101]

do you know what neo-conservatism is?

[FThompson08]

Yes, don't be such a patronizing ass

[nighthawk101]

If so, then how do you come to the conclusion that this administration is NOT neo-conservative (when it is widely accepted that it is)? I would love to hear this.

[FThompson08]

Well, neo-cons are less involved in things like lance bass marriage, family, religion in society, immigration, and abortion. If you compare neo-cons to Bush in this respect he is a traditional conservative.

[LORD MANN]

Gore has something to say

[nighthawk101]

and the deficit was at that number, adjusted for inflation, long before Bush was in office.

You didnt even respond to what I said about this false post.

And still have not

Still waiting for you to retract your false statement that we were not at a budget surplus before Bush took office

[nighthawk101]

Well, neo-cons are less involved in things like lance bass marriage, family, religion in society, immigration, and abortion. If you compare neo-cons to Bush in this respect he is a traditional conservative.

What? American conservatism was based on less government interference and states rights. Bush tried to violate the constitution (again) by making the lance bass marriage amendment federal law.... while I dont support lance bass marriage, it is a states issue, NOT a federal one.

What has Bush done to stop immigration? NOTHING. The borders are still WIDE OPEN. Anybody can just waltz across....its insane. He has also worked to increase the outsourcing of jobs, stripping Americans of more good jobs opportunities.

The fact that we continue to involve ourselfs in foreign conflicts and affairs also doesnt help his case.

On the other topics, such as family, religion, and abortion.... both sides of "conservative" seem to agree.
I do believe that America was founded on Christian principles, but I am still not a fan of combining religion and state. And, on abortion... I really dont care. It doesnt bother me either way.

[FThompson08]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Nati ... of_GDP.png

Shows our debt as a chart and it reached the highest peak of the past 15 years in the mid 1990s. And yes it did go up under Bush, however, there was that little thing called September 11th.

[FThompson08]

And neo-cons are very liberal on social issues, thats why they are called neo-cons, they are new conservatives. The original neo-con, Irving Kristol, said he was "liberal mugged by reality", he was dispised by paleo-conservatives because he was liberal who was conservative on foreign affairs.