The book of Hebrews is called Hebrews for a reason because the audience it was intended for was Jewish. It was written specifically to prove to Jewish readers who Jesus was.nighthawk101 wrote:Yes, Paul was a Jew by blood .....but a Christian by faith... whats your point?
Pauls writings are NOT for a jewish audience. THey are for a Christian audience.
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Oh im getting tired of this...
The jews are not totally cast away. They are set aside until the fulfillment of the Gentiles. Hebrews states how the old covenant is no more and the new one is through Christ. Jews still must accept Christ to be saved... they cant be saved just because they are Jewish.
Jesus was a religious Jew. It is impossible for him to be any race... Jewish, Caucasian, African, whatever.... he was implanted in the womb.. no earthly genetics were used in His making.
And hell, whos to know whats actually 100% correct in the Bible. Its been handled by humans for more than 2000 years... and that includes the Catholic Church.
The jews are not totally cast away. They are set aside until the fulfillment of the Gentiles. Hebrews states how the old covenant is no more and the new one is through Christ. Jews still must accept Christ to be saved... they cant be saved just because they are Jewish.
Jesus was a religious Jew. It is impossible for him to be any race... Jewish, Caucasian, African, whatever.... he was implanted in the womb.. no earthly genetics were used in His making.
And hell, whos to know whats actually 100% correct in the Bible. Its been handled by humans for more than 2000 years... and that includes the Catholic Church.
Im not being agressive, im being dominant
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Great... if they find and accept Christ... that kinda no longer makes them religious Jews. It makes them Christian.Art Vandelay wrote:The book of Hebrews is called Hebrews for a reason because the audience it was intended for was Jewish. It was written specifically to prove to Jewish readers who Jesus was.nighthawk101 wrote:Yes, Paul was a Jew by blood .....but a Christian by faith... whats your point?
Pauls writings are NOT for a jewish audience. THey are for a Christian audience.
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It makes them Messianic Jews.nighthawk101 wrote:Great... if they find and accept Christ... that kinda no longer makes them religious Jews. It makes them Christian.Art Vandelay wrote:The book of Hebrews is called Hebrews for a reason because the audience it was intended for was Jewish. It was written specifically to prove to Jewish readers who Jesus was.nighthawk101 wrote:Yes, Paul was a Jew by blood .....but a Christian by faith... whats your point?
Pauls writings are NOT for a jewish audience. THey are for a Christian audience.
I wonder why circumscision is still popular with Christians though...
As for American culture, I hope this isn't the beginning of the end.
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Found this in Wikipedia... Ideally being a Jewish is a combination of at least three things: maternal lineage, following the law, and maintaining the lifestyle.
Jewish identity
What makes a person Jewish?
According to Jewish law, someone is considered to be a Jew if he or she was born of a Jewish mother or converted in accord with Jewish Law. (Recently, the American Reform and Reconstructionist movements have included those born of Jewish fathers and gentile mothers, if the children are raised practicing Judaism only.) All mainstream forms of Judaism today are open to sincere converts.
A Jew who ceases to practice Judaism is still considered a Jew, as is a Jew who does not accept Jewish principles of faith and becomes an agnostic or an atheist; so too with a Jew who converts to another religion. However, in the latter case, the person loses standing as a member of the Jewish community and becomes known as an apostate. In the past, family and friends were said often to formally mourn for the person, though this is rarely done today.
Even if Jesus was not a follower of the principles of faith, he would still have been considered a Jew just because of his mother's roots. I know what you are saying that Jesus transcended race, but as a mortal he would have been viewed and treated as a Jew. I wonder if he would have been thought of as a liberal back in his day since he was trying to reform Judaism.
That being said, if that is what defines a person Jewish, did we decide what combination things now define American culture these days? (I'm trying to bring this back around somehow to the original thread idea)
Jewish identity
What makes a person Jewish?
According to Jewish law, someone is considered to be a Jew if he or she was born of a Jewish mother or converted in accord with Jewish Law. (Recently, the American Reform and Reconstructionist movements have included those born of Jewish fathers and gentile mothers, if the children are raised practicing Judaism only.) All mainstream forms of Judaism today are open to sincere converts.
A Jew who ceases to practice Judaism is still considered a Jew, as is a Jew who does not accept Jewish principles of faith and becomes an agnostic or an atheist; so too with a Jew who converts to another religion. However, in the latter case, the person loses standing as a member of the Jewish community and becomes known as an apostate. In the past, family and friends were said often to formally mourn for the person, though this is rarely done today.
Even if Jesus was not a follower of the principles of faith, he would still have been considered a Jew just because of his mother's roots. I know what you are saying that Jesus transcended race, but as a mortal he would have been viewed and treated as a Jew. I wonder if he would have been thought of as a liberal back in his day since he was trying to reform Judaism.
That being said, if that is what defines a person Jewish, did we decide what combination things now define American culture these days? (I'm trying to bring this back around somehow to the original thread idea)
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This is really getting old.... I've gone over this several times.
In all other cases, yes... You are racially Jewish if your mom is Jewish because she gave you her 23 chromosomes and you have her blood in her. That is not the case with Jesus' birth.
As for culture... Common language, religion, borders, heritage, etc define it.
In all other cases, yes... You are racially Jewish if your mom is Jewish because she gave you her 23 chromosomes and you have her blood in her. That is not the case with Jesus' birth.
As for culture... Common language, religion, borders, heritage, etc define it.
Im not being agressive, im being dominant
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Ok looks like I shouldn’t leave my computer for a day…
This is just a few things I want to comment on, most of the rest of it was just between u two so ill leave it at that. Sorry I don’t Quote block all of these, just because I took them out of your 3 page conflict.
Nighthawk“Culture to me is things like language, religion, ethnicity/race, common heritage etc. “
sounds more like national ism to me.
And then there’s the Jew talk which im not trying to reopen at all lol.
Nighthawk”Their positions of extreme power in this country has nothing to do with God... it has to do with American stupidity.”
must be those christen beliefs that make us that way,
Nighthawk “What? Jewish wealth is accumulated because they are extremely tribal and intelligent with money.”
Intelligent …gods people…I think I see a connection…., Jewish or for that manner Hebrew philosophy is crazy great lol
Nighthawk “Yes, again religiously a Jew. Keep in mind that essentially Christians are too as the Torah is simply the first 5 books of the Old Testamanet.”
For the most part the Torah is the first 5 but there’s a lot more to them then that. Especial in first book (note: that information is a mix of what I have read so I don’t know if there to much truth to that but from what I have read I believe it.)
Nighthawk “Why trace it through Joseph? I dont know... it would be quite pointless, considering Mary was a virgin. He had nothing to do with the conception. Mary, truly didnt either... she was simply a vessel.”
That’s why lesbians like Mary, she didn’t have to use that “Sick creator known as man to bare child.”
Art “then Jesus is not the Messiah and that Christianity is a lie. End of argument.”
lol
Art “I wonder why circumscision is still popular with Christians though...”
because it’s cool gosh.
Nighthawk” As for culture... Common language, religion, borders, heritage, etc define it.”
That sounds more like mindless/heartless NATIONALISM to me.
How about a united idea….
The car culture
The rap culture
The art cultures (sorry none pop into mind right off the bat)
The Jewish culture
The lance bass culture
The rock culture
The muscle car culture
The Western Culture
All of these are not just ideas, but they don’t have boarders, language, and heritage(for the most part)also I don’t think all of these are real cultures do to a lack of any real evident proof that they are a culture I.E. lance bass, rap, rock, but really a lack of creativity and real individualism
This is just a few things I want to comment on, most of the rest of it was just between u two so ill leave it at that. Sorry I don’t Quote block all of these, just because I took them out of your 3 page conflict.
Nighthawk“Culture to me is things like language, religion, ethnicity/race, common heritage etc. “
sounds more like national ism to me.
And then there’s the Jew talk which im not trying to reopen at all lol.
Nighthawk”Their positions of extreme power in this country has nothing to do with God... it has to do with American stupidity.”
must be those christen beliefs that make us that way,
Nighthawk “What? Jewish wealth is accumulated because they are extremely tribal and intelligent with money.”
Intelligent …gods people…I think I see a connection…., Jewish or for that manner Hebrew philosophy is crazy great lol
Nighthawk “Yes, again religiously a Jew. Keep in mind that essentially Christians are too as the Torah is simply the first 5 books of the Old Testamanet.”
For the most part the Torah is the first 5 but there’s a lot more to them then that. Especial in first book (note: that information is a mix of what I have read so I don’t know if there to much truth to that but from what I have read I believe it.)
Nighthawk “Why trace it through Joseph? I dont know... it would be quite pointless, considering Mary was a virgin. He had nothing to do with the conception. Mary, truly didnt either... she was simply a vessel.”
That’s why lesbians like Mary, she didn’t have to use that “Sick creator known as man to bare child.”
Art “then Jesus is not the Messiah and that Christianity is a lie. End of argument.”
lol
Art “I wonder why circumscision is still popular with Christians though...”
because it’s cool gosh.
Nighthawk” As for culture... Common language, religion, borders, heritage, etc define it.”
That sounds more like mindless/heartless NATIONALISM to me.
How about a united idea….
The car culture
The rap culture
The art cultures (sorry none pop into mind right off the bat)
The Jewish culture
The lance bass culture
The rock culture
The muscle car culture
The Western Culture
All of these are not just ideas, but they don’t have boarders, language, and heritage(for the most part)also I don’t think all of these are real cultures do to a lack of any real evident proof that they are a culture I.E. lance bass, rap, rock, but really a lack of creativity and real individualism
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Me too in a way, but I don't think we have to get so finite on things for an AMERICAN culture to have meaning. That is why I use the barebones meaning that culture is a group of people that are united under one ideal mind set.nighthawk101 wrote:when I think of culture I think in more national terms and something that the nation as a whole shares. Not small sects of the population.
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So here's a question for you Nighthawk...... As a mortal being, whose DNA did Jesus have?nighthawk101 wrote:
In all other cases, yes... You are racially Jewish if your mom is Jewish because she gave you her 23 chromosomes and you have her blood in her. That is not the case with Jesus' birth.
If someone could have performed a DNA test on Jesus, what do you think they would find?
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But wouldn't he still be half of what his mother was?nighthawk101 wrote:Who knows? Im sure Christ looked like the people around him, but I find it impossible that he had a certain race's genetics. There was no earthly being that helped with his creation. He was simply placed in a womb.
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Maybe, maybe not. It depends on which theory you believe.Myth wrote:But wouldn't he still be half of what his mother was?nighthawk101 wrote:Who knows? Im sure Christ looked like the people around him, but I find it impossible that he had a certain race's genetics. There was no earthly being that helped with his creation. He was simply placed in a womb.
I thought this site was intriguing about the DNA question.
http://www.bibleanswerstand.org/QA_DNA-2.htm
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